As a WC consultant, Dr. Winfred Overholser had long-time links to the intel world. He led Top Secret WW2 "truth drug" experiments, and helped in the cover-up of U.S. use of biological weapons in Korea
The CIA was well represented on the Warren Commission with Allen Dulles and McCloy from the OSS days and Overholser. Stephen Kinzer suggests that Pres. Johnson put Dulles on the committee to "systematically use his position to keep the commission safely within bounds. . ." David Talbot argues that the Kennedy assassination was actually planned by Allen Dulles who had recently been fired by Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs operation.
This is good, important work. I'm not sure what to make of it, but Overholser was also a Freemason and a boardmember of the Scottish Rite Committee for Research in Dementia Praecox in the '30s. I believe the org (renamed the Scottish Rite Schizophrenia Research Program) was later used as a funding conduit for MKULTRA. Overholser's predecessor at St. Elizabeths, Dr. William Alanson White, was also on the committee; apparently Overholser took over the superintendent position upon White's death.
Thanks for your kind praise! I've looked a little into the Scottish Rite research, and I wasn't able to document anything specific. Perhaps I should give it another whirl, as that was some time ago. Also, you are correct. Overholser took over for White. Each in their way, from a historical viewpoint, were considered "progressive" in their day. From our perspective today, they appear in a very different light. White paved the way for Overholser by championing the use of psychiatrists (often still called "alienists" in the U.S. in the early 20th century) as expert witnesses at trial.
By the way, I left off one chapter of Overholser's life that is of some interest, and that was his peripheral involvement in the case of Sgt. Maurice Schick, who after the Korean War was charged with murdering the young daughter of Jacquard Rothschild. Jacquard had been the senior officer for the Army Chemical Corps in Japan during the Korean War, and to my mind, had to be a major figure in organizing the U.S. BW campaign. Earlier, he had headed Edgewood Arsenal. The Schick case is very strange, very suspicious, and I plan to write it up. Overholser in the end never examined Schick because the prosecution pushed the trial through quickly and wouldn't allow the time it would take for Overholser to travel from D.C. to Tokyo. Ultimately, it was not significant to the Overholser-centered article above, and I left it out. The article was already quite long anyway!
Interesting! Overholser pops up in the James Forrestal case too.
I looked into the Scottish Rite work a little a while back, and yeah it's murky. IIRC it's mentioned in Colin Ross’s book, and I found that Fini Schulsinger and Sarnoff Mednick’s Danish twin research acknowledges their support.[e.g. 1] A recent documentary says that their twin research also got money through the Human Ecology Fund[2], adding to the suggestion of a CIA connection.
The Pike Commission produced different results but is not used much, people may not know about it. The VA hospitals deal with things the private sector do not as well and the new VAs outperform the private at a lower cost. The book l recommend is "Money Driven Medicine " by Maggie Mahar. You need to realize how much Musk lies. American Healthcare is the result of propaganda, often coming from Trump Christains.
If Defense experts in the US hear that all major Powers…Nazi Germany Stalinist Russia etc are doing psychiatric research with the aim of looking for a Truth Serum…is it a rational approach to suppose that it should n o t have been tried? So they tried marijuana and people just vomited…did not disclose any hidden truth…And so the Warren Commission is a malevolent actor just to ask the main expert [ Dr. O.]…although he did not really say anything noteworthy. Thank you - it is after all good to know that they felt their ruthless secretive mass murderer enemies’ tools are worth researching. There cannot be a Truth Serum because Truth is only in words…and words mean different thing in each second.
You seem to have misunderstood my point in the article. Reaching out to Overholser (or his successor at St. Elizabeth's, Dr. Dale Cameron) did not in fact show the WC was a malevolent actor. In fact, it's clear the different WC members had varying views. Some of those on the Committee may have tried to obstruct justice. Others went along for the ride. Some had serious reservations about WC conclusions.
You may notice that the WC rejected Cameron's thesis on Oswald's motivation for the (alleged) killing. This shows the CIA-links of Cameron were not definitive in the product of the WC. Reality always turns out to be more complex. I do hypothesize that having intel-linked or approved consultants was something that those covering up certain things from or within the WC lent a certain security from any exposure.
What I said was my research left me with "more questions than answers." One was: "How much did members of the Warren Commission understand about using such individuals for their deliberations?" Does that sound like I have labeled the WC a "malevolent actor"?
My main question was why would the intelligence connections of key psychiatric consultants to the Warren Commission be withheld, or unreported for decades, particularly since even from the beginning there were suspicions that the IC (military intel or CIA), or certain members of the IC, were involved?
Btw, you minimize the work done on "truth serum" (it wasn't just marijuana, and most of the info on the program still remains classified), and if I didn't emphasize it enough earlier, that work continued in various forms into the MKULTRA era at CIA. I also believe the use of extraordinary techniques, including but not limited to drugs, and often amounting to torture, still is an objective of intelligence research. I've documented that ongoing objective here: https://open.substack.com/pub/kayej/p/mitchell-jessen-cover-story-masks?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
So far as I know, from living in Western Massachusetts for 18 years, the name of the city you mentioned in the middle of the state is Worcester, no “h” in it.
I also lived in the D.C. area from 1956 to 1969. I had friends who were sent to St. E’s, as it was commonly called. I find it highly amusing that the hospital now serves as home to the Department of Homeland Security. It’s my laugh for today, in fact. Thanks so much for the update.😎
Whoever is still alive needs to be executed for JFKS ASSASSINATION! They did it for control of the CIA and the war in NAM - they wanted the money so they killed 60 thousand of us!
there were definitely two shooters i& the CIA did it in revenge for John F Kennedy, recalling air support and leaving CIA agents and the Alabama air National Guard unsupported when they invaded Cuba at the Bay pigs to be subsequently captured by Fidel Castro. You don’t screw with the CIA and leave them hanging like that.
Whether or not he received encouragement or logistical help from the KGB (or Castro’s DGI), sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK by firing three shots at him over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza. Author John M. Newman has found evidence that a KGB mole in the CIA’s mole-hunting Office of Security by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) sent (or duped his confidant, protégé, and mole-hunting subordinate, James Angleton, into sending) Oswald to Moscow in 1959 an ostensible “dangle” in a planned-to-fail hunt for “Popov’s Mole” (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA.
Factoid: JFK’s head, and only JFK’s head, went forward and downward between Z-312 and Z-313. Two-and-one-quarter inches. Why? Answer: Because Oswald’s third and final shot hit it. FWIW, “TMH” and Jeffrey S. Kaye come across as Russian trolls to me. Are you Russian trolls, “TMH” and Jeffrey S. Kaye?
I know I should block people who traffic in scurrilous ad hominem attacks. But I think when someone exposes themselves in so blatantly an absurd fashion, I should leave their words intact as a negative model for my would-be critics.
The CIA was well represented on the Warren Commission with Allen Dulles and McCloy from the OSS days and Overholser. Stephen Kinzer suggests that Pres. Johnson put Dulles on the committee to "systematically use his position to keep the commission safely within bounds. . ." David Talbot argues that the Kennedy assassination was actually planned by Allen Dulles who had recently been fired by Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs operation.
Hiding the truth since 1963
This is good, important work. I'm not sure what to make of it, but Overholser was also a Freemason and a boardmember of the Scottish Rite Committee for Research in Dementia Praecox in the '30s. I believe the org (renamed the Scottish Rite Schizophrenia Research Program) was later used as a funding conduit for MKULTRA. Overholser's predecessor at St. Elizabeths, Dr. William Alanson White, was also on the committee; apparently Overholser took over the superintendent position upon White's death.
Thanks for your kind praise! I've looked a little into the Scottish Rite research, and I wasn't able to document anything specific. Perhaps I should give it another whirl, as that was some time ago. Also, you are correct. Overholser took over for White. Each in their way, from a historical viewpoint, were considered "progressive" in their day. From our perspective today, they appear in a very different light. White paved the way for Overholser by championing the use of psychiatrists (often still called "alienists" in the U.S. in the early 20th century) as expert witnesses at trial.
By the way, I left off one chapter of Overholser's life that is of some interest, and that was his peripheral involvement in the case of Sgt. Maurice Schick, who after the Korean War was charged with murdering the young daughter of Jacquard Rothschild. Jacquard had been the senior officer for the Army Chemical Corps in Japan during the Korean War, and to my mind, had to be a major figure in organizing the U.S. BW campaign. Earlier, he had headed Edgewood Arsenal. The Schick case is very strange, very suspicious, and I plan to write it up. Overholser in the end never examined Schick because the prosecution pushed the trial through quickly and wouldn't allow the time it would take for Overholser to travel from D.C. to Tokyo. Ultimately, it was not significant to the Overholser-centered article above, and I left it out. The article was already quite long anyway!
Interesting! Overholser pops up in the James Forrestal case too.
I looked into the Scottish Rite work a little a while back, and yeah it's murky. IIRC it's mentioned in Colin Ross’s book, and I found that Fini Schulsinger and Sarnoff Mednick’s Danish twin research acknowledges their support.[e.g. 1] A recent documentary says that their twin research also got money through the Human Ecology Fund[2], adding to the suggestion of a CIA connection.
[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022395668900228
[2] https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/danske-boernehjemsboern-brugt-i-hemmelig-undersoegelse-stoettet-af-cia
https://www.rt.com/news/544673-cia-backed-experiments-danish-orphans/
The Pike Commission produced different results but is not used much, people may not know about it. The VA hospitals deal with things the private sector do not as well and the new VAs outperform the private at a lower cost. The book l recommend is "Money Driven Medicine " by Maggie Mahar. You need to realize how much Musk lies. American Healthcare is the result of propaganda, often coming from Trump Christains.
If Defense experts in the US hear that all major Powers…Nazi Germany Stalinist Russia etc are doing psychiatric research with the aim of looking for a Truth Serum…is it a rational approach to suppose that it should n o t have been tried? So they tried marijuana and people just vomited…did not disclose any hidden truth…And so the Warren Commission is a malevolent actor just to ask the main expert [ Dr. O.]…although he did not really say anything noteworthy. Thank you - it is after all good to know that they felt their ruthless secretive mass murderer enemies’ tools are worth researching. There cannot be a Truth Serum because Truth is only in words…and words mean different thing in each second.
You seem to have misunderstood my point in the article. Reaching out to Overholser (or his successor at St. Elizabeth's, Dr. Dale Cameron) did not in fact show the WC was a malevolent actor. In fact, it's clear the different WC members had varying views. Some of those on the Committee may have tried to obstruct justice. Others went along for the ride. Some had serious reservations about WC conclusions.
You may notice that the WC rejected Cameron's thesis on Oswald's motivation for the (alleged) killing. This shows the CIA-links of Cameron were not definitive in the product of the WC. Reality always turns out to be more complex. I do hypothesize that having intel-linked or approved consultants was something that those covering up certain things from or within the WC lent a certain security from any exposure.
What I said was my research left me with "more questions than answers." One was: "How much did members of the Warren Commission understand about using such individuals for their deliberations?" Does that sound like I have labeled the WC a "malevolent actor"?
My main question was why would the intelligence connections of key psychiatric consultants to the Warren Commission be withheld, or unreported for decades, particularly since even from the beginning there were suspicions that the IC (military intel or CIA), or certain members of the IC, were involved?
Btw, you minimize the work done on "truth serum" (it wasn't just marijuana, and most of the info on the program still remains classified), and if I didn't emphasize it enough earlier, that work continued in various forms into the MKULTRA era at CIA. I also believe the use of extraordinary techniques, including but not limited to drugs, and often amounting to torture, still is an objective of intelligence research. I've documented that ongoing objective here: https://open.substack.com/pub/kayej/p/mitchell-jessen-cover-story-masks?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
https://coldwarcritic.substack.com/p/the-photograph-the-key-to-the-assassination
https://coldwarcritic.substack.com/p/the-kennedy-connection have a look at this
So far as I know, from living in Western Massachusetts for 18 years, the name of the city you mentioned in the middle of the state is Worcester, no “h” in it.
I also lived in the D.C. area from 1956 to 1969. I had friends who were sent to St. E’s, as it was commonly called. I find it highly amusing that the hospital now serves as home to the Department of Homeland Security. It’s my laugh for today, in fact. Thanks so much for the update.😎
Whoever is still alive needs to be executed for JFKS ASSASSINATION! They did it for control of the CIA and the war in NAM - they wanted the money so they killed 60 thousand of us!
there were definitely two shooters i& the CIA did it in revenge for John F Kennedy, recalling air support and leaving CIA agents and the Alabama air National Guard unsupported when they invaded Cuba at the Bay pigs to be subsequently captured by Fidel Castro. You don’t screw with the CIA and leave them hanging like that.
Whether or not he received encouragement or logistical help from the KGB (or Castro’s DGI), sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK by firing three shots at him over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza. Author John M. Newman has found evidence that a KGB mole in the CIA’s mole-hunting Office of Security by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) sent (or duped his confidant, protégé, and mole-hunting subordinate, James Angleton, into sending) Oswald to Moscow in 1959 an ostensible “dangle” in a planned-to-fail hunt for “Popov’s Mole” (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA.
Factoid: JFK’s head, and only JFK’s head, went forward and downward between Z-312 and Z-313. Two-and-one-quarter inches. Why? Answer: Because Oswald’s third and final shot hit it. FWIW, “TMH” and Jeffrey S. Kaye come across as Russian trolls to me. Are you Russian trolls, “TMH” and Jeffrey S. Kaye?
I know I should block people who traffic in scurrilous ad hominem attacks. But I think when someone exposes themselves in so blatantly an absurd fashion, I should leave their words intact as a negative model for my would-be critics.
Dear Jeffrey,
I have just one question.
Does Vladimir Putin pay you, or do you do it for free?
-- Tom